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As President Trump sends troops and marines to Los Angeles to quell anti-ICE demonstrations and flirts with invoking the Insurrection Act against protesters, we look back at the protests of 2020, when Trump last talked about invoking the act. Back then, there was broad energy around rethinking policing, but polls show that that energy has largely vanished. In this episode, we ask: what happened? Our guest points to one clear contributor: copaganda – or pro-police propaganda – and he says that the people most susceptible to it are liberal, educated elites.

This episode was hosted by Gene Demby and B.A. Parker. It was produced by Xavier Lopez and edited by Dalia Mortada and Courtney

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