A curious paradox of one of the most obsessively chronicled relationships in human history is how little the vast majority of us had, until Wednesday evening, actually seen of Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce interacting. Don’t get me wrong: We’ve all seen a lot of Swift and Kelce in the two years they’ve been dating, more than some of us ever asked for. But their relationship has been primarily consumed via shortform clips and paparazzi photos and lyrical allusions, and though they had spoken about each other a little in interviews (Swift has only given one of those since they started dating, and that was because she was named Time’s Person of the Year ), they’d never done one together. Nor had they walked a major red carpet as a couple, something some celebrity couples seem to be shy a
Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce’s podcast revealed much more than a new album.

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