Dana Carvey is pretty sure that it was not Heidi Gardner’s decision to leave Saturday Night Live after eight seasons—despite all indications that one of the show’s most popular stars could not possibly have been fired along with three newer cast members.

Speaking on his Fly on the Wall podcast with David Spade Wednesday, Carvey said, “From what I know as of this recording, it was not her idea to leave” ahead of Season 51, adding the caveat that he “could be wrong.”

“That would be a little shocking,” Spade replied, “because she really is one of the core ones you know from that show and she does a great job.”

“You never know, and it is a hard thing, but I was really, really surprised,” Carvey added, lauding her as an especially versatile performer on the show over her eight years in th

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