Pete Buttigieg , the former U.S. Transportation secretary and former mayor of South Bend, Indiana, is on the shortlist of Democrats expected to make a White House run in 2028. But if he chooses to go for it again, he’ll face a much more fractured Democratic electorate than he did during his primary five years ago. The party is divided on many fronts, from the war in Gaza to its strategy to fight back against Trump to an agreed-upon version of why the party lost in 2024.

In the latest episode of On With Kara Swisher , recorded live at the University of Michigan, Buttigieg addresses these issues and more, including the fallout from Charlie Kirk’s assassination and the prospect of a government shutdown. Below, an excerpt from that conversation.

On With Kara Swisher

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