Ford CEO Jim Farley said on a podcast that Ford is not convinced of CarPlay Ultra and is waiting for the next generation of the tech before it considers adopting it.

While talking to Joanna Stern from the Wall Street Journal on The Verge ‘s Decoder Podcast, Farley mentioned a lot of various excuses as to why Ford hasn’t made any moves on CarPlay Ultra, but ultimately, Stern seems to hit the nail on the head, suggesting that when companies choose CarPlay Ultra right now, it limits them from also offering Google’s Android Auto phone projections system. Since Ford works at such a large scale, it can’t alienate Android users from its cars.

Farley also discusses the need for control over the car for its fleet management software and other car-related software. For instance, he mentions things

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