Few Americans have as comprehensive of a perspective on politics and media as Jen Psaki , the former White House press secretary under Joe Biden who is now the host of the The Briefing with Jen Psaki on MSNBC , as well as The Blueprint , a podcast focused on the rebuild of the Democratic party.

Rolling Stone spoke to Psaki the day after a rambling, bitter President Donald Trump aired his grievances on the international stage at the United Nations General Assembly. Shortly after Trump’s speech, Jimmy Kimmel added to the president’s umbrage by staging a cathartic return to ABC , after a corporate suspension that was shortened by public blowback to Trump’s attempts to curb free expression.

In a wide-ranging discussion, Psaki laid out her thoughts on Karoline Leavitt, the

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