During a recent gym visit, Jim-E Stack heard “Girl, so confusing featuring lorde” start to play, and it walloped him in the middle of his workout session.

“I was like, ‘Agh.’ It really makes me emotional,” he says of the remix to Charli xcx’s brat standout, which he co-wrote. That reaction was nothing new for him: When Charli and Lorde performed it together at Coachella in April, he nearly cried.

When the remix arrived in June 2024, Stack and Lorde were halfway through creating the latter’s own album, Virgin. “How open and honest and personal [Lorde] is on that verse — that’s something we were channeling the whole time in the album,” he says of her fourth full-length. “So when she got to share some of that, it was like, ‘Holy s–t. We are onto something.’ It was reaffirming.”

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