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If you believe everything you see on social media, then the recent conversation between New York Times podcaster Ezra Klein and author Ta-Nehisi Coates was shocking and appalling. The podcast episode, which stretched on for more than an hour, set the internet ablaze. Readers left hundreds of comments on the Times website; commenting was eventually closed . Thousands of listeners registered their outrage on X and Bluesky and Substack and their own podcasts and the pages of various progressive publications. According to many of them, the conversation exposed a “ fundamentally blinkered ” view among liberals like Klein, who was repeatedly dismissed as an amoral

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