Apple TV ’s Slow Horses is into its fifth season and with two more on the way, this spy thriller ain’t going anywhere.

Gary Oldman , who plays odious lead Jackson Lamb in the smash series, pondered why it has been so successful this morning on the BBC’s Today program.

For Oldman, Slow Horses has something that other spy thrillers may be lacking.

“This is ordinary people doing heroic things,” he said. “I think [audiences] have a connection to it rather than being removed if you’re watching say The Bourne Identity or Bond, with their casinos and tuxedos. These are people having problems with their marriage and alcoholic issues or going through a divorce or only seeing their kids at the weekend, and they go to the laundrette and do these things that we can relate to.”

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