Kamala Harris is explaining the moment she knew something was off with former President Joe Biden .

The former Vice President of the United States took a look back on the Diary of a CEO podcast and reflected on her relationship with her running mate.

During a particular moment, in his June 2024 debate against President Donald Trump , Kamala said there was a moment beforehand where she knew something was wrong.

“He called me from debate camp … and I could tell something was a little off,” she admitted.

“And I was concerned about— I just, I don’t think he wanted to debate, is my point.”

“He didn’t want that debate. And you know, it’s like any competition you go in, whether it’s you’re bidding for something, if it’s sports, you gotta want it, right? If you don’t wanna be in

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