The relationship between former President Barack Obama and former President Joe Biden has deteriorated, according to ABC Reporter Jonathan Karl, who noted that the two did not even interact when spotted at the same restaurant in recent weeks.

Speaking on Katie Couric’s podcast, Karl mentioned that both of the former presidents were spotted at Washington DC’s Café Milano last month, “to the point their security details had to make space for each other,” according to Fox News.

However, the two did not interact.

“They didn’t interact at all. They were in the same restaurant?” Couric pressed, asking Karl what their relationship is now like.

Karl, promoting his book Retribution , described the relationship as “really bad,” asserting that the Bidens largely blame Obama for pushing him ou

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