Joe Rogan doesn’t usually invite ghosts onto his podcast. Yet when The Joe Rogan Experience #2423 dropped with John Cena listed as the guest, UFC and WWE fans all seemed to land on the same punchline almost instantly. How do you interview someone you can’t see? And once that joke opened the door, the internet didn’t just walk through, it sprinted.

For those outside the loop, Cena’s appearance didn’t happen in a vacuum. He’s days away from the final match of one of the most decorated careers in wrestling history. Seventeen world titles. Two decades of dominance. One last date on December 13 at Saturday Night’s Main Event.

As he recently told Bill Simmons , “Yeah, but it’s all I have left. That’s what people don’t understand. I want to go out at a level that is still passable and

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