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Taylor Swift is more popular than Kylie Kelce.

This was more or less accepted as fact a long time ago, but we now have the numbers to back it up:

In the least surprising news of this century, Swift’s appearance this week on the New Heights podcast has already racked up millions of downloads, making it the most listened-to edition of this podcast in New Heights history.

Kylie held the previous mark.

During the August 14, episode of her “Not Gonna Lie” podcast, Kylie shared her thoughts on Jason and Travis Kelce‘s big guest, joking it “felt weird” to even mention “the other podcast” by name.

She also mentioned how she’s “officially no longer the record-holder for the most-watched” interview on “New Heights,” adding:

“There’s n

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