WASHINGTON — In a wide-ranging interview this week on the Katie Miller podcast , Vice President JD Vance offered a rare glimpse into his personal life, sharing everything from his scientific approach to evaluating ice cream brands to his embarrassment over a nerdy card game hobby.

The conversation revealed a more relaxed side of the nation’s second-highest officeholder, who discussed his favorite 90s rock songs, dream vacation destinations, and the surprisingly mundane reality of high-level government work.

Sitcom aspects of his job : Vance said there have been moments that could be an episode of “Veep” and other television shows . He recalled a chaotic conference call where top officials kept joining late and needing the issue re-explained. “It felt like an episode of ‘The Office

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