In her highly-anticipated podcast debut, Madonna is opening up about her spirituality.

“You need to be spiritual to be successful. Success is having a spiritual life, period,” the famed singer, 67, says while appearing on the new Monday, September 30, episode of the “On Purpose with Jay Shetty” podcast, according to a report from People published on Sunday, September 28. “I wouldn’t be here if I didn’t have one.”

During her first ever podcast appearance, Madonna and host Jay Shetty will have an “open conversation” about the singer’s spiritual transformation, per the outlet, which she said began with the birth of her oldest child, daughter Lourdes.

“What have I done for others? That’s really the only way you can be successful in life,” Madonna reportedly says during the same interview, r

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