Vince Gilligan knows about complicated characters. And he knows how people sometimes misunderstand those characters. Gilligan is, of course, best known for creating Breaking Bad , the hit TV series about a high school chemistry teacher who became a drug lord and, along the way, a hero to thousands of viewers. But the same principles are true of Jimmy McGill, the sympathetic figure who hides behind the slick persona of Saul Goodman in Better Call Saul , and certainly of his latest protagonist, romance author turned sole hope for humanity Carol Sturka.

For actor Rhea Seehorn , Sturka is a tricky character who took some time for her and Gilligan to figure out. But Gilligan’s guidance primarily came in one note. “But I do remember him reminding me that she is a very reluctant hero,

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