As the leader of a university that was the site of the assassination of Charlie Kirk , Utah Valley University President Astrid Tuminez has been faced with the task of helping students grieve.

It just so happens that as she guides the university through that process, Tuminez is dealing with her own personal sorrow. Her husband, Jeffrey S. Tolk, died on Feb. 5 while climbing Mount Cotopaxi in Ecuador.

On this episode of “Deseret Voices,” host Jane Clayson Johnson asks Tuminez what she has learned from these tragedies and why she feels pain is sacred.

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Note: Transcript edited by Steven Watkins

Introduction: This week on “Deseret Voices,” a profoundly moving conversation about grief and hope wi

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