Dancing With the Stars costume designer Daniela Gschwendtner gave a glimpse behind the scenes of what it’s like to create countless ballroom ensembles.

Gschwendtner appeared on the Friday, November 28, episode of Danielle Fishel’s “Danielle With the Stars” podcast. Gschwendtner also designed the costumes for Charmed before she joined the ballroom. During the chat, the Emmy-nominated designer shared how she started as a stylist before becoming one of the dancing competition show’s lead costume makers in 2009. (Gschwendtner and Steven Norman Lee are DWTS’ current head designers.)

“I always wanted to be in fashion, and I always was drawn to that. I went to school for it. I got a Fashion Design and Merchandising degree, which really means not that much, but you get in the real world,” she sa

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