The three creators of the Emmy-nominated comedy series Hacks had no idea they were predicting the future when they had their central late-night host character defiantly speak out against her network bosses and then lose her dream job.

In this episode of The Last Laugh podcast, Lucia Aniello, Paul W. Downs, and Jen Statsky break down the “surreal” parallels between Deborah Vance’s arc in Season 4 and the real-life tribulations of Stephen Colbert. They talk about the importance of late-night TV, what its future might hold, and reveal how they got Jimmy Kimmel to play a bully version of himself on the show.

The trio also goes deep on casting leads Jean Smart and Hannah Einbinder, as well as this year’s Emmy-nominated guest stars Robby Hoffman and Dance Mom herself, Julianne Nicholson. A

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