“Women are the kind of people that people come out of.”

That’s according to Douglas Wilson , an influential pastor and self-described Christian nationalist who recently sat for an interview with CNN’s Pamela Brown that was full of shockingly retrograde sound bites. One of Wilson’s fellow pastors told Brown, “In my ideal society, we would vote as households, and I would ordinarily be the one to cast the vote”; another straight-up endorsed repealing the 19th Amendment. Social media quickly lit up with memes of the “say what now?” expression on Brown’s face in response to Wilson’s comments and disbelief that a pastor in his orbit would so boldly declare that women shouldn’t be allowed to vote. Defense secretary Pete Hegseth , though, approvingly retweeted Wilson’s interview, adding the

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