Andrew Piskadlo was standing in the middle of a campus amphitheatre on Wednesday, waiting to debate Charlie Kirk about the Eighth Amendment, when a single shot rang out .

“It was surprising, and no one really got down until the people in front of the stage did,” Piskadlo, 28, of Salt Lake City, said in a phone interview. “People got down in waves.”

He had been in line at a campus event at Utah Valley University, waiting to speak to and debate Kirk, as students typically did in the “Prove Me Wrong” debates that Kirk, a right-wing activist , would host.

Piskadlo, who estimated that he was 25 metres away, recalled that Kirk had been responding to a question about transgender mass shooting suspects before he was shot.

When the shot rang out, Piskadlo said he dropped first but did not r

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