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Editor-in-chief Kyle Mann and creative director Ethan Nicolle talk to Jeff Durbin , a Pastor and Elder of Apologia Church in Tempe, a hospital chaplain, outreach minister, and a popular speaker. He's a martial artist with 5 black belts, has played roles from Mortal Kombat and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, and is known for sidewalk ministry and apologetics debates. The guys talk about martial arts, video games, ministry, and Jeff's crazy adoption story. Jeff co-hosts Apologia Radio and Apologia TV, both found at Apologia Studios , and you can find Apologia's outreach resources for pro-life ministry at End Abortion Now .

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