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Even for Vince Gilligan, the legendary creator of Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul, art still needs to have limits.

‘The Mona Lisa has a frame around it,’ he tells me. ‘It’s not infinite, it’s not endless. You’ve got to have some sort of limits on your art to make it better, to make you work that much harder to make it succeed.’

But for his latest Apple TV series Pluribus, which airs on November 7, Gilligan’s budget was certainly a step up from his AMC days with Walter White.

‘It is wonderful, I’ve got so say,’ he tells Metro. ‘It was a step up budgetarily with Apple, but they’ve also given us the time. They haven’t been breathing down our necks, which to me is just

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